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    DLA and a carer

    Hi i have a quick question My brother is on D L A and he has been basically caring for our mum for the last 2-3 years as her health has taken a turn for the worse.

    I work and have not got the time to do what my brother does he is also getting help from a Mental Health Organisation who comes and sees him on a thursday for mental health issues he has, a lot of this has to do with his physical illness that he now gets DLA for and also it has affected his mental health and does not trust anyone or doctors basically this is because of what they have said and done to him since he had 2 heart attacks 6 years ago and he was told if it got worse he would need a triple bypass as he has a triple blockage and because of the proximity of the artery damage they cannot be stented.

    Eventually after 2 years he had to give up his work as his health started to deteriorate quite rapidly and his mobility is greatly reduced and this is why he ended up on DLA amongst other mental health reasons.

    He gets frustrated at certain things especially with the establishment who have promised him certain things that would happen only to backtrack on them all to the stage he is know very wary of dealing with anyone especially doctors who are now saying he will not get the bypass due to the amount of weight he has gained since giving up work and due to his inability to do any form of excercise this is just 1 of many things that he has had to deal with.

    So i am trying to see if he can or would be able to claim carers allowance for my mum as he goes down there to look after her and tbh he struggles with the weight he has gained and his back and knees are really showing signs of it.

    I feel a bit guilty as i cannot do anywhere near enough as my brother does because i work so i am just wondering if he can claim carers allowance or get me or his social worker to get a claim for him to do this, he does not want anything more to do with the DLA process as he has had to go 2 or 3 times to get assessed and has had to lodge appeals to get his DLA reinstated in tribunals and he cannot take anymore hassle filling in stuff so he would rather just leave it tbh.

    He will likely have to go through this P I P that is replacing DLA and he is worried again about having to get in touch and go through all the hassles again.

    So basically if he is on DLA can we claim carers allowance for what he does for my mum.thx in advance

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    In order for him to claim Carers Allowance your mum would have to be on a qualifying benefit. Depending on her age this would be either rate of Attendance Allowance if she's over 65, middle or higher care rate DLA or either rate of PIP daily living if she's under 65. If she's not on any of these disability benefits she should make a claim as it sounds like she is quite disabled and needs a lot of help, and the local welfare rights service or CAB should be able to advise on which benefit to apply for depending on her age and help to complete the claim forms. Your mum and brother also need to get specialist advice before claiming Carers Allowance as the rules are very complicated and it can adversely affect other benefits, particularly if your mum lives on her own and gets severe disability premium. As far as I know, there's no reason why someone on DLA cannot claim carers allowance as long as they meet other conditions such as not working and earning above the limit, which is about £100 a week, and in some cases it can increase other means tested benefits through the carer premium which is added onto income support and housing/council tax benefit.
    Unfortunately there will come a time when your brother will have to go through the PIP claim process as they are gradually moving everyone over from DLA to PIP and it is causing untold stress and worry for thousands of people who rely on disability benefits to survive. Again, he will be able to get help from local welfare rights or CAB to complete the forms, but it will probably be a stressful time for him and he may need extra support from his key workers for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caley View Post
    In order for him to claim Carers Allowance your mum would have to be on a qualifying benefit. Depending on her age this would be either rate of Attendance Allowance if she's over 65, middle or higher care rate DLA or either rate of PIP daily living if she's under 65.
    It is possible for someone over State Pension Age to be on DLA or PIP if they were first awarded this benefit under State Pension Age.

    The requirements for Carer's Allowance are:
    • the person being cared for receives one or more of:
      • Attendance Allowance
      • DLA Care component (middle or highest rate only)
      • PIP Daily Living component
      • Armed Forces Independence Payment
      • Constant Attendance Allowance (at the normal maximum rate, intermediate rate or exceptional rate) as part of IIDB or certain Armed Forces benefits

    • the carer cares for the disabled person for at least 35 hours per week
    • nobody else receives Carer's Allowance for caring for that disabled person, and
    • the carer has earned income of no more than £102 per week after certain deductions


    The person being cared for loses any entitlement to Severe Disability Premium if someone receives Carer's Allowance for looking after them.


    There is no block to someone on disability related benefits claiming Carer's Allowance, though they must be prepared to justify that they can provide 35 hours per week of care for the disabled person every week and that the care they provide is compatible with the disability benefits they receive.

    To take an example, I have various physical disabilities, so could not wash or dress another person (I have problems washing and dressing myself!). However, I could probably watch over someone with mental health problems, giving them encouragement, emotional support and supervision as necessary.


    Apart from the compatibility of the reasons behind any DLA or PIP award with the care being provided, DLA/PIP is irrelevant. Caley is correct to say that the original poster's brother will eventually be reassessed for PIP, so long as he was not already 65 or over on 8 April 2013.

    He can close his DLA or PIP claim at any time, but he will then lose the money and any consequential entitlements.


    Carer's Allowance and ESA (or one of the legacy incapacity benefits such as Incapacity Benefit or SDA) are overlapping benefits - you cannot receive both. However, you can get a Carer Premium added to Income Related ESA or Income Support if you would be entitled to Carer's Allowance but cannot receive it due to the overlapping benefit rule.


    In truth, I'm struggling to see how Carer's Allowance solves a problem here, but I might be missing something. The most it will do is offer a low level of income (currently £61.30/week) with no requirement to attend periodic interviews or any form of assessment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caley View Post
    In order for him to claim Carers Allowance your mum would have to be on a qualifying benefit. Depending on her age this would be either rate of Attendance Allowance if she's over 65, middle or higher care rate DLA or either rate of PIP daily living if she's under 65. If she's not on any of these disability benefits she should make a claim as it sounds like she is quite disabled and needs a lot of help, and the local welfare rights service or CAB should be able to advise on which benefit to apply for depending on her age and help to complete the claim forms. Your mum and brother also need to get specialist advice before claiming Carers Allowance as the rules are very complicated and it can adversely affect other benefits, particularly if your mum lives on her own and gets severe disability premium. As far as I know, there's no reason why someone on DLA cannot claim carers allowance as long as they meet other conditions such as not working and earning above the limit, which is about £100 a week, and in some cases it can increase other means tested benefits through the carer premium which is added onto income support and housing/council tax benefit.
    Unfortunately there will come a time when your brother will have to go through the PIP claim process as they are gradually moving everyone over from DLA to PIP and it is causing untold stress and worry for thousands of people who rely on disability benefits to survive. Again, he will be able to get help from local welfare rights or CAB to complete the forms, but it will probably be a stressful time for him and he may need extra support from his key workers for a while.
    I disagree on one point, if your brother claims Carers Allowance and on DLA it raises questions. One may be how can he care for someone else if he needs care himself. Another may be if he is both mentally and physically disabled how can he give anyone help. If he does put in a Carers Allowance claim, you must make sure that what the listed problems as to why he was awarded DLA don't conflict with his carers duties.

    And example, Mark claims he can't cook as he can't stand for more than a minute without pain in his legs and hands. He also is danger to himself due to his mental health issues. But claims Carers Allowance and cooks for his mother. The conflict is obvious in this case.

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