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    wca to go if labour get elected

    I have seen at vox that labour have said they will abolish the dreaded wca and have a non computer and no points system after getting elected if they do that is.
    Racial reeves has said that they will help disabled to work if they can and security for those who cannot its strange I just found out about this and its not been in any news?
    http://www.disabilitynow.org.uk/arti...-labour-way-go
    Also this link to wca going under labour http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2014...wins-election/
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinytim View Post
    I have seen at vox that labour have said they will abolish the dreaded wca and have a non computer and no points system after getting elected if they do that is.
    Racial reeves has said that they will help disabled to work if they can and security for those who cannot its strange I just found out about this and its not been in any news?
    http://www.disabilitynow.org.uk/arti...-labour-way-go
    Also this link to wca going under labour http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2014...wins-election/
    Just remember who introduced the WCA/ESA and ATOS. It was the Liebour party. If they do get rid of the WCA then they will replace it with something else.

    It is very unlikely they will scrap it for a number of reasons:

    1. Maximus has been awarded the new ESA contract and to terminate it, would cost millions of pounds of taxpayers money, something which there is no appetite for.
    2. Most people surveyed in regards to benefits think the system should be much more strict to what it is now.

    I would severely doubt that Labour will do this due to the public perception, the budget deficit and the amount of money to change the system again.

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    Cheers Tinytim - very interesting indeed, it's the first I've heard of this. It will be very interesting to see which way Labour go with all of this? I personally think we will have a Labour government soon, maybe after a second general election maybe around November time. I don't believe there will be any real radical changes - perhaps a bit of tweaking here and there, however, I've no doubt Labour will have a more caring approach. Problem is they will be fighting against a tide of public misconceptions - with very little room to manoeuvre.

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    All Rachel Reeves did back in April 2014 is commend the findings of the (extremely well written and sensible) Spartacus report. She didn't make any commitments as to outcome, or to when any action will happen under a new Labour government.

    In any event, what politicians say in opposition and what they do when elected can be very different things, not least as things change over time.


    It will be interesting to see what welfare reform policies are in the manifestos of the main parties - but even manifesto commitments are not binding on the party if elected.

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    Just to add my twopenn'orth here.

    We are now in the run up to an election and the parties have already started making unsubstantiated claims about the changes to the welfare system, how well things are being handled, (or not if you are on the other party), and what they might do to change things if elected.

    I expect that in the coming months we are going to get a lot of missleading and inaccurate statements made by politicians trying to get re-elected which are just going to confuse things even more.
    You know the sort of thing, it happens every election.

    Just one example; some of them are already talking about UC as if it has been fully implemented nationwide. This is obviously not the case, it has been rolled out in limited fashion for certain claimants only.

    Oh well, time to turn the Bull***t filters to full power again.
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    Look guys im no supporter of new labour as I was affected by what they did nd I did protest to them and as you say I agree I do not trust polititions,but labour has a new leader now that blair does not really support as he wants new labour back again.
    I think that says a lot and im all for a change with edd as he is more left of new labour and wants more fairness as we know even new labour introduced at least a minimum wage which the tories said would lead to higher unemployment now they support it? but truly it was the financial institutions in the world and uk banks for the mess we are in.
    Also a john major tory policy that tony blair took up was pfi on building lots of new hospitals for another mess as the interest we the tax payers have to pay for many years when we could have borrowed the money a lot cheaper through gov spending.

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    Another point is that a lot of able and disabled working people are on zero hours contracts which is a rip off and with an increase to minimum wage to over £8 an hour a bit more fairer.

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    Another point is that a lot of able and disabled working people are on zero hours contracts which is a rip off and with an increase to minimum wage to over ?8 an hour a bit more fairer.
    All of which the tories are against which is a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nukecad View Post
    I expect that in the coming months we are going to get a lot of missleading and inaccurate statements made by politicians trying to get re-elected which are just going to confuse things even more.
    You know the sort of thing, it happens every election.
    My feelings are much like yours, nukecad.

    The original poster in this thread started by misrepresenting an old piece of news, as the "supporting evidence" did not justify as strong a statement as he made. There is no commitment from Labour to scrap the WCA, let alone any firm information on what might replace it. Though there is an argument that the points based WCA gives the assessment important blind spots, an assessment based on a value judgment of fitness to work could lead to arbitrary decision making and claimants being unsure what they have to demonstrate in order to obtain benefit. There's no obvious 'right solution'.


    Fear and uncertainty will play a significant part in the 17 weeks until the election. A lot will be said about benefits and support for disabled people, much of which will not come to pass. A significant part of the campaigns will be about manipulating people's emotions and fears, with the parties employing experts in managing public opinion. All the parties have got significant questions to answer about unfunded commitments and addressing the deficit. Ultimately, no political commitment is a guarantee as to what will happen after the election.


    I am only speaking personally, but I am really not sure these forums are a good place for party political discussion. Those that want to trade blows and argue about the issues can find plenty of places to do that online. There are enough frightened disabled people already, with many finding the stress of the benefits system detrimental to their mental health. Is this forum, which is predominantly about peer support, really an appropriate place for 17 weeks of political pugilism?

    To be clear, I would encourage everyone to be politically active and to share their stories. Part of the problem with disability issues is that disabled people are often insufficiently prominent within society. I'm merely questioning whether this place would be better with minimal political argy-bargy.

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    Flymo as said I really do not trust any party but D C said before the election dla was safe under them and look what happened they did not take any notice of disabled charities that were for keeping dla.
    Now new labour i did not like but at least we got the minimum wage which you know the con said would create high unemployment now they support it? and I am a old labour supporter or socialist suppoerter and proud to be which labour like to shy away from, I do think that this callus gov we have now would have been far worse without the lib dems as they wanted to be more ruthless and have said that if they get reelected and who will that hit the disabled and vunerable in society more food banks will have to come into force more people to be evicted due to the bedroom tax do any of you want this I do not think so.
    So we have to vote for some party and I really feel that new labour has gone and to give ed a chance and hope they will be fairer than the tories but as even the bedroom tax is to go I will be happy even though it has not effected me i also care for other people not like under Maggie who only wanted selfish people at the top and those under neath to be swept away like dirt.

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