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    Is 15 points what you have to score in total? ATOS worries for Epileptic...

    Hi, great forum. I am on lifetime DLA and i have not worked for a very long time due to Temperal Lobe Epilepsy, which means I suffer both grand mals and complex partial siezures. I also had a lung removed in 2003 and this affects my epilepsy also. I have just been sent ATOS forms and am worried like everybody else. When I look at them however, it appears as if I would score quite a high score but I am starting to suspect it might not be that straightforward? I have chronic memory problems and am being referred back to specialist for that but can somebody tell me evry simply what you have to score and what happens after you send it back....

    many thanks
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    Forms for ESA transfer, DLA or PIP?

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    Hello Richard,

    Re: 15 points, this is the threshold/minimum score that entitles you to payment of ESA as having Limited Capability for Work (LCW), which in turn means you would be placed in the Work Related Activity Group (WRAG).

    To obtain access to the Support Group (SG) of ESA, you need to obtain the above (min) 15 points and meet the criteria for an award of a Schedule 3 Descriptor which doesn't involve points.
    Hope that helps.
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    Points means prizes sadly not when on benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jard View Post
    Hello Richard,

    Re: 15 points, this is the threshold/minimum score that entitles you to payment of ESA as having Limited Capability for Work (LCW), which in turn means you would be placed in the Work Related Activity Group (WRAG).

    To obtain access to the Support Group (SG) of ESA, you need to obtain the above (min) 15 points and meet the criteria for an award of a Schedule 3 Descriptor which doesn't involve points.
    Hope that helps.
    There is no requirement to meet the WRAG requirements in order to be placed in the support group, the two requirements are separate, most people will but you can score zero points and still qualify under SG descriptors 15 and 16 or regulation 35

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    yes you simply need to score above 15 points to get support group but sadly they will not be taking your answers into account but your actions instead. for example i told them just how bad my illnesses were and what they prevented me from doing but due to the fact i was able to go to the medical centre and hold a conversation with the 'doctor' without passing out unconscious or choking on my tongue or bumping into everything and falling over they deemed me as being 'fit for work'. and they do this to a lot of people, sadly being in pain, showing them your medication and telling them your history isn't good enough for them. they will just assume you are well enough to do some stuff and make up their own assumptions. then DWP will listen to everything they say and side with them without even looking at the facts themselves.

    By ATOS forms do you mean your esa50? if you are yet to send your ESA50 off make sure you include tons of medical evidence - copies of med files, letters from doctors etc. but if you've already been invited to an Atos assessment then prepare yourself for the worst. like i said, they see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. prepare to receive a report from them claiming a whole lot of stuff that you didn't even say or do. Oh and TRY AND GET THE MEDICAL RECORDED!

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    I would strongly urge you to seek professional help to complete the form. Go to CAB, they are experts in this. If you are over 50, then contact AGE UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by help_me View Post
    yes you simply need to score above 15 points to get support group but sadly they will not be taking your answers into account but your actions instead. for example i told them just how bad my illnesses were and what they prevented me from doing but due to the fact i was able to go to the medical centre and hold a conversation with the 'doctor' without passing out unconscious or choking on my tongue or bumping into everything and falling over they deemed me as being 'fit for work'. and they do this to a lot of people, sadly being in pain, showing them your medication and telling them your history isn't good enough for them. they will just assume you are well enough to do some stuff and make up their own assumptions. then DWP will listen to everything they say and side with them without even looking at the facts themselves.

    By ATOS forms do you mean your esa50? if you are yet to send your ESA50 off make sure you include tons of medical evidence - copies of med files, letters from doctors etc. but if you've already been invited to an Atos assessment then prepare yourself for the worst. like i said, they see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. prepare to receive a report from them claiming a whole lot of stuff that you didn't even say or do. Oh and TRY AND GET THE MEDICAL RECORDED!
    Sorry but your first statement is wrong.
    Scoring more than 15 points does not mean that you will get into the support group. Scoring 15 points or more means you will get ESA. Getting into the Support Group is based on meeting descriptors. You could score loads of points and be put into the Work Related Activity Group if you do not meet the descriptors for the Support Group.

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    here is my 45 points I was placed onto WRAG.

    This is how the points were given.

    A guide to Employment and Support Allowance – The Work Capability Assessment
    2. Standing and sitting.
    Descriptor
    Points
    (a) Cannot move between one seated
    position and another seated position
    located next to one another without receiv
    ing physical assistance from another
    person.
    15 points.


    (a) At least once a month experiences:
    (i) loss of control leading to extensive evacuation of the bowel and/or
    voiding of the bladder; or
    (ii) substantial leakage of
    the contents of a collecting device sufficient to
    require cleaning and a change in clothing


    Descriptors
    Descriptors and scores for
    each physical activity
    Mobilising unaided by another person with
    or without a walking stick, manual
    wheelchair or other aid if such aid is normally, or could reasonably be worn or used.
    Descriptor
    Points
    (a) Cannot either:
    (i) mobilise more than 50 metres
    on level ground without stopping in
    order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion;
    or
    (ii) repeatedly mobilise 50 metres within a reasonable timescale because
    of significant discomfort or exhaustion.



    Atos put me onto the Wrag the DWP review placed me into the support group sadly this just proves that ATOS are making money from failing people who are obviously disabled.

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    The 15 points you scored for mobilising corresponds to a Support Group Descriptor, the other two do not, so even if ATOS did not indicate it they recommended SG.

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