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    Exclamation Why won't they still listen Cons

    The polls are suggesting that the UKIP party are making gains with still more results to come in and even though the conservatives and lib dems have got a bloody nose this morning one conservative mp said that we need to listen but then went on to say that we will make work pay and ' 'people are fed up with those on benefits'. quoted by Grant Shapps Con M.P

    does this say it all about the thinking of the conservatives and that even with a clear message going out they are simply not prepared to change their ways or still listen.

    not sure why they still think that cutting welfare will some how get the economy going in this country but if they are not prepared to change now then when it does come to the main elections people need to go for the alternatives now.
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    And where are all the jobs coming from for those on benefits. Especially the sick/disabled. A lot of employers would not give them jobs and a lot of disabled people are simply unable to work.
    What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

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    It's to one dimensional, they can only attack and do something about, an area they know will succeed. There was an ommision last week that it wil be virtually impossible to go after tax evaders/avoiders. So they pick on welfare as an easy target. They have no interest in anyone who uses the welfare state. Only way we can shout is at the voting booth, but sadly UKIP is probably not the answer, i dont know if the answer is in any party, but if we don't vote i believe tories will be in power for a long time and worse is yet to come.

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    People are disillusioned with all parties at the moment. So who do you vote for, that is the problem. I personally would not vote UKIP, but I can understand why people have voted for them. The reason we have this shambles of a govermnet is because there was no clear winner at the last general election. Be that from apathy towards voting, or that people could not choose between parties so the vote was split. Personally, I do not trust any of them to do what is right and fair. I do believe that some politicians start off with high ideals and want to help, but most become corrupted along the way. The last time I voted was in a local election. I did not vote for the party but for the person as he at least was trying to do something for the area. The problem with that is, he was just one voice and we know that one voice rarely gets heard.
    What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

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    The problems are coming our way because most of the politicians at the top have only been to college/uni, studied politics and related subjects, then gone straight into politics proper. So they have never done anything since leaving college except politics. They have never done a hard days work in their lives. They have no idea what it's like to try and live on X pounds a day, like some of us do.

    My vote would always go to a 'former bus driver/miner/even a street sweeper,etc' rather than someone who only knows about politics on paper, like most of those at the top do.

    I like the sound of the UKIP policies, and I would like to think they would honour those promises should they ever get into power, but sadly the chances of that happening are very slim.

    I don't believe we have a democracy when it comes to general elections. If you vote for any party other than Lab or Con, you waste your vote. That's why we have this shambles of a government at present, because the votes were split. So IMHO we do not have a democracy here in the UK.

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    Looks like the cons didn't come out of the elections too well.
    wake up time!!!
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    That's a kick in the head, my family are working class I think I'm working class stock 46 years in the labour party 48 years in the Union, shop steward, safety rep. and local parties political rep, after study at college as an electrician I went back to take politics, in the 1980's I moved into a course at University only a short course in Robotics. Wiring up a robotic arm using diagrams.

    I see my self as politically active until my accident , and then saw the New Labour brigade pull Labour to the right, and Newer Labour with Miliband talking about hard working, squeezed middle, and kicking people out of housing if they had two years on JSA.

    In my time within Labour I saw very rich people have more socialism in their little fingers then most so called working class, some miners who wanted to end welfare and move toward workhouses and salve labour.


    I think people have to look and seek before brandishing everyone as non socialist. Look at Blair Byrne Murphy and sadly Miliband they do equate much with working class do they....

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    I voted UKIP as a protest vote, they didn't get in and now we have Alan Dowden who is a right little s1ht, I use to work “against him” when I was a shop steward, now that's going back a few years

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    The Cons are putting it down to a protest vote. Well yes, this is probably the case with a lot of voters. But if so, then it is still a protest at the current shambles of a government. People are fed up with the current situation. We all knew there would be no quick fix for the economy, but what they are doing with austerity measures is not really working. If they go on like this, then it could be an even bigger protest vote at the next general election. I don't think it would be enough to get UKIP or anyone else into power, but it would probably be enough for a hung parliament and another coalition shambles.
    What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

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    What most people don't realise under this 'shambles' of a coalition government, is that if the Lib Dem's hadn't been holding one of the reigns and applying the brakes on many more changes that the Tories wanted to bring in, then we would all be in a far, far worse situation than most of us are currently in....you don't see what doesn't happen due to Lib Dem's sticking up for us, you only see what does get through...

    What would be even more scary at the next general election would be if we ended up with a Labour/Tory coalition.

    Labour started the welfare changes and the Tories took over and continued....Same cart, different horse!!!

    If you don't vote, then your vote goes to the winning party, which is why they will not make voting compulsory. (Please correct me if I am wrong regarding this)

    This country is not a democracy in a democracy they would listen to advice and give it consideration, but in a dictatorship they do what they want regardless of evidence to the contrary against the changes that they bring in anyway....in addition this government keep changing laws to suit them, so that we have no rights and cannot take them to court.

    My husband is scared of me and others speaking our minds online as he is worried that we will get called a terrorist of some sort....as even free speech is under threat.

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