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    Quote Originally Posted by StarBright View Post
    for someone who can go unconscious at anytime for hours at a time there is no way you can cook safely or take care of yourself reckon you should go for it.
    Ah, but that's the issue.

    I don't go to sleep suddenly so there is no substantial risk from that point of view.

    Instead I go to sleep as anyone may normally do - I just may not wake up as others normaly do; and that's not the same level risk of harm.
    What harm can you come to when asleep?

    While I'm awake there is no difference to any 'normal' person.

    OK possibly I could get drowsy when having a bath and drown.
    So as far as PIP is concerned you take showers instead, even if you don't have a shower you could get one.
    It's similar to the 'ficticious wheelchair' argument in ESA - just because you haven't got one doesn't mean you couldn't. (That's a whole other argument).

    Even if you do fall unconcious suddenly, say epilepsy or narcolepsy, then it is not covered by the PIP descriptors (and of course I do know them).
    As you rightly say there has to be an additional risk of harm to falling unconcious that means that you need supervision to avoid harm.

    The descriptors are not at all bothered if you shit the bed, get dehydrated, or miss your meds, unless there is a risk that means you need supervision.
    You are not going to harm yourself by shitting the bed, and it would take quite a time before the others become a 'substantial' risk - unless you have other serious underlying conditions of course.

    Like I say I know the dedsciptors and have been through them answering truthfully, zero points for every one.
    Even getting a bit creative with them it's still not enough to score points without outright lying.

    It's the same with the ESA SG/UC LCWRA descriptors - they just don't cover unconciousness unless there is an associated risk of harm.

    Unless/until the descriptors are changed then unusual/rare conditions like mine fall into a no mans land.

    And I have to be honest that I don't need care or supervision for my condition, unless something changes.

    I could do with the extra money, couldn't we all, but that's because the benefits that I do qualify for don't pay as much as they should.
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    And talking about what you may qualify for, but on a different note.

    I've earlier this evening been talking to the finance guy at the new Housing Association, and due to my situation they are going to get me a new cooker from their welfare pot .

    Help can come from where you least expect it.
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    Pleased you now have a cooker Nuke,

    Pft for the rest of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarBright View Post
    Pft for the rest of it
    Is that 'Palm to forehead'? or 'Programmed to fail'? or maybe 'Permanent temporary fix'?

    Either one of those would suit the DWP in general.
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    Well done Nuke

    I keep shpwing my Autistic son flats etc. but he really doesn't want to leave here!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phaedra View Post
    Well done Nuke

    I keep shpwing my Autistic son flats etc. but he really doesn't want to leave here!.
    Knows which side his bread is buttered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nukecad View Post
    Is that 'Palm to forehead'? or 'Programmed to fail'? or maybe 'Permanent temporary fix'?

    Either one of those would suit the DWP in general.
    I did laugh out loud LOL literally

    Now it was the sound that people make when they think somethings wrong/stupid it's I kind of pfft sound

    But I do like your versions

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    A laugh does you good, I had plenty more but as a forum moderator myself I don't use that kind of langauge on fora (well not much anyway).

    Of course there are many similar for DWP - I'll give you a clean one: Defective Welfare Provider.
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    Oh I can imagine!

    I've been on different forums in the past & have seen a lot before they got moderated not benefits ones though. health & hobby ones. I give them all a swerve now though as I've found they all go the same way arguments & life's short enough & hard enough without having to see that

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    Just to go back to the question of whether I should apply for PIP or not. (Which has also been raised previously in other threads).

    Yesterday I had a phone call from the Housing Associations welfare/benefits person, among other things we covered claiming PIP.

    I didn't butt in and just went through her questions answering truthfully and explaining how my condition(s) affects me.

    Her conclusion -
    Sorry, but you just don't fit the criteria to qualify for PIP.
    When concious you don't need care, supervision, or help to do tasks.
    When unconcious there is nothing to do anyway, and you can clean up and sort yourself out when you do become concious again.
    You are not at significant risk of harm except for maybe missing your cardiac meds when unconcious for a long period, but you couldn't be given those by another person whilst unconcious anyway.
    So you wouldn't qualify for PIP.


    All of which I already knew and had assessed exactly the same for myself.
    At least it makes them happier as it's now confirmed by their own advisor rather than just being my word.

    I do understand their desire to double check, many times here, and elsewhere, we see people who don't know they qualify or don't think they qualify for something when in fact they do.
    (I've had numerous drinks bought me in the pub after I've told/helped acquaintances to claim things they didn't know they could, things just come up in general conversation).
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