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    Surprise PIP review your award out of the blue form

    Hello

    I was both shocked and dismayed to have a PIP review your award form come through my door, with its quick turn around date of early December - and despite receiving a we have extended your PIP award, just last month.

    Nukecad - it is a PIP 1043 form. Does this mean it is like applying from new or is it just an update since being awarded PIP a few years ago?

    During these Covid times I'm unsure how I will get the evidence I need given, most appointments now are on a telephone.

    Has anyone got any recently used tips that they used for renewing their PIP during Covid times?

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    They are still doing PIP assessments during covid, as well as extending awards.
    Just because you've had an extension letter doesn't mean you won't also get a review form.

    PIP 1043 form is just another name for an AR1 short review form, it should still say AR1 at the bottom left of each page.

    It should look like this which is the current one on the DWPs 'PIP Toolkit' webpage: https://assets.publishing.service.go...ffects-you.pdf

    It's best to treat all reviews as you would a new claim.

    Tip for filling in a PIP1043/AR1 short form:
    • In the boxes "Tell us if something has changed and approximately when." say if there is a change from your last review/assessment or not.
    • If nothing has changed then put 'No change' but still put briefly in the other 2 boxes how it is that your are affected (if you are affected for that particular activity), basically what you put on your last full PIP2 form but shorter.
      eg. "I am still unable to manage xxx, (because yyy)" in the second box, and/or "I still need help to do xxx" in the third box.
      Only leave those boxes blank if you can manage that activity and without help.

    If you just put 'No change' and leave the other two boxes blank (or if you leave all three boxes blank) then the person reading the form may think that you are not affected by that particular activity, so tell them what you 'Still can't' do.
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    Thank you for your reply Nukecad.

    Yes the form is similar to the one on the link, you sent but there is no AR1 on the bottom of my form, unlike the example.

    I will treat it as a reapplication and will ignore the "do not send a supporting letter from your GP" instruction on page 6. I rather I hope to, if my GP will help as they have done previously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buble48 View Post
    Thank you for your reply Nukecad.

    Yes the form is similar to the one on the link, you sent but there is no AR1 on the bottom of my form, unlike the example.

    I will treat it as a reapplication and will ignore the "do not send a supporting letter from your GP" instruction on page 6. I rather I hope to, if my GP will help as they have done previously.
    Interesting; that example from the PIP toolkit is supposed to be the latest one.
    But they can sometimes be slow to update that webpage, and they can also sometimes use variants, or old versions, of forms rather than just throwing them away.

    The (newish) "do not send a supporting letter from your GP" instruction is best regarded as advice rather than set in stone.
    It's been discussed on rightsnet and the concensus is that it's meant for two reasons:
    1. To save people money because many GP's charge for such a letter. (and there are example of two line, pathetic, GP letters that they have charged £50 for).
    2. To help take demand off GP's who are busy with the effects of Covid.
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    I've been buried under a mountain of paperwork for the past week trying to complete this PIP form in a different way, than I completed the first time, as that failed and I needed to go to a tribunal.

    Should I be adding how I cannot manage each descriptor on the form on my "tell us about your conditions" section too under the relevant disability?

    I've got to the stage now, where I don't know what needs to go where.

    Has anyone any advice?

    Thanks in advance.

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    We seem to be looking at slightly different forms, with different wordings.

    However "tell us about your conditions" seems clear enough that they just want to know your condions in that section, and then the affects of those conditions elsewhere on the form.

    On the AR1 version I have here (June 2018) that question is in Section 2 (on page 4) and says:
    Tell us below about any current health conditions or disabilities you
    have:
    • include existing conditions and any new conditions since we last looked
    at your award
    • tell us approximately when each one started
    PS. I've double checked and when asked in September 2020 for an example of PIP1043 the DWP provided a link to download the AR1 June 2018 so they are indeed the same form.
    As I said it looks like you may have been sent a (older?) variant that they are using up rather than wasting.
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    Thank you Nukecad, that helps.

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    I hope you don't mind me adding in here. I had the letter saying my award due to covid would be extended to 2021 Oct - then two weeks later I get the form. Like the OP I cannot get a Doctor to sign or do a letter for me, however I do have one from 2017 with all my medication and illnesses plus it is signed by my doctor. I will just put a photocopy of that letter in as nothing has changed - in fact my health has become worse.

    I know people may put nothing has changed, but what happens when you put has got worse?

    Also I am finding it hard to do this form, last year I was diagnosed with Adult Aspergers I am in my 50s. I read on some other place that one person they totally ignored the diagnosis letter and that their autism went against them.

    I also need help with journeys to hospital, doctors, and also if family take me out for a day - what happens with that as all hospitals have cancelled appointments, and I cannot help but think this is not in everyone's claim favour.

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    Fear of brown envelopes returns!

    Hi all,

    Yep me too, I got the extension letter now got the AR1 type form today, they’ve given me 22 days to return it, I feel that I’m in big trouble this time, I’ve got no support (GP, specialist or consultant) and due to living in chaotic conditions don’t know where the old supporting letters are.

    My only hope is that these forms have all been sent out by an automated system in error and that we’ll all get a quick paper review. Yeah I know I’m probably being naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archersmate View Post
    Hi all,

    Yep me too, I got the extension letter now got the AR1 type form today, they’ve given me 22 days to return it, I feel that I’m in big trouble this time, I’ve got no support (GP, specialist or consultant) and due to living in chaotic conditions don’t know where the old supporting letters are.

    My only hope is that these forms have all been sent out by an automated system in error and that we’ll all get a quick paper review. Yeah I know I’m probably being naive.
    No, I phoned them it is not a mistake, if anything I think it is a cruel game they play. Though I cannot see my doctor, I have decided to go along and hand over my letter with list of medications and illnesses on for him to sign and confirm, not bothered about waiting a few days. Also mine was to be back 21st Dec which is bad as I am autistic and I cannot sleep my mind is all over the show. What makes it worse is the form, just "has anything changed". I also worry about being autistic and their views. I have a whole list of health problems physical and mental and medication. write a letter your name top right, doctors name top left, then put a bit about hoping my doctor can sign and confirm this letter for me. Then under that put your health problems and medication for each one, then put it with the form and photocopy it. I just hope someone can answer my post above.

    Archersmate just try and do your best, if you don't have details just put who you seen for health problems name, address and dept. My health has got worse, so I won't be lying just have to be honest and explain how things are.

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