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    PIP ATOS assessment report - absolute joke

    I am currently in the process of appealing my PIP decision after having it stopped following a review at the end of 2016 and am awaiting a tribunal date. I have just received the response bundle from DWP and although before I had seen all their paperwork I feared the ATOS assessor was clueless now I've received his report it is beyond a joke and quite insulting in all honesty.

    I have been diagnosed with bipolar and have a long history of depression which has an enormous impact on my motivation levels and ability to undertake even simple tasks. In 2014 I was originally awarded 15 points for daily living as the decision maker and health professional agreed that my severe lack of motivation meant that I could not prepare food, take nutrition, wash and bathe, dress and undress, manage medication, engage with others, make complex budgeting decisions without being prompted to do so by my partner.

    In my review form I stated that all the descriptors had either not changed or had in fact got harder. Following the review I was awarded 0 points for daily living as it was felt I had the physical ability to undertake all these tasks. Although I had written in detail on the form what my difficulties were and explained again at the assessment the 'health professional' who was in fact only a paramedic stated almost word for word for every descriptor:

    'The difficulties the claimant has described are inconsistent as he is not currently under the care of a specialist mental health team and he is only on a 1st line antidepressant. He also did not have any prompting from his wife during the assessment and appeared well kempt. It is therefore reasonable to assume he can manage this task unaided.'

    I find it quite offensive that the 'health professional' who is obviously completely untrained on mental health issues can completely ignore my difficulties just because I am not currently under the care of a specialist mental health team (which is irrelevant really but in any case I have been under the care of various psychiatrists and psychologists over the past few years just not currently!) And because the medication I'm on, fluoxetine, is only a 1st line antidepressant. He seemed oblivious to the fact I am only on that medication as it works best for me having been tried on around 10 different antidepressant/bipolar medications over the years.

    My personal feelings after seeing his pathetic report is that he should be struck off. I feel sorry for all the people he's assessed and have not been as determined as me to see the appeal stage through.

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    Fight this all the way. Good luck.

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    As PIP is basically a test of functionality it is a fairly simple matter for people with physical needs to make their case. Not so simple for people that have MH needs, which are invisible to many people in the short term, as in the case of an assessment.
    It is easy to explain a brick wall to a 2 year old, you can see it, hit it it will hurt. Not so easy to explain the danger of electricity which is an invisible danger.
    It is totally unfair how the sysytem is asked to assess two different catagories of need, it just doesn't work on all levels.
    I wish you all the very best with your battle for what you deserve and in life.
    Anything expressed is my opinion only and is offered in good faith. It is either from my own experiance or what I have learned on my journey. Take it for what it is or leave it alone. With best wishes D.

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    Thanks guys. I will definitely be fighting this and think I stand a pretty good chance at the tribunal as DWPs decision making rationale is so poor and they've ignored the substantial medical evidence that I have supplied.

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    Paul I'm in a similar situation to you. My assessor's report was dreadful and was like they hadn't even bothered reading my substantial medical evidence. The DWP decision letter didn't even give me any reasons for not awarding me PIP apart from I don't have enough points. I'm quite confident that I stand a fair chance at tribunal. The only thing I'm worried about is that I'll have to have a paper tribunal due to my mental health problems which I've read are less successful.

    It must be so frustrating for you to know you qualified for PIP once and don't anymore. It's not like you've got a medical condition that is going to get better. I know from my own experience the prognosis for most severe mental health conditions isn't good. Best of luck to you.
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    I have reported the so called nurse who did my assessment to the Nursing and midwifery council .Just a mention ,this government spent one hundred and eighty million pounds to set up PIP .Keep going I am

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbara1951 View Post
    this government spent one hundred and eighty million pounds to set up PIP .
    Their current official figure for setting up PIP, released this week, is just under one hundred and thirty million.
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...20Response.pdf

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    Sorry, I'm just being pedantic.
    I like things to be right, probably a bit OCD. (least of my problems).
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    [QUOTE=nukecad;131523]Their current official figure for setting up PIP, released this week, is just under one hundred and thirty million.
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...20Response.pdf

    Oi Nuke your slipping up, you forgot the 50p TuT

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    Oops, I'll send them a postal order for 50p.

    Got to keep the budget balanced.

    LMAO.
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    Ok lets me be a bit more pedantic.

    I do love it when they lie, by omission, they say costs include........so to speak.

    They do not mention the contract with Atos & Capita, time in Parliament, commities, sub committies. The National Audit Office also mentioned that the programme was not researched properly, or implemented, nor was the strategic planning done properly. Some costs will never be known or admitted to.

    The costs of the contracts for example would be strategic spending (set at the time, against future costings), thus set aside. The contracts were well over £100 million. Thus the attempts to get more back from the claimant's.

    Sorry Paul1986:
    To respond to you, the HP's in my original claim, also lied. As with you have chronic depression, which can affect motivation, mine is not bi-polar in nature. However, just because you have not seen, been treated by someone, or community based nurse etc. does not mean it has gone. It just means they have found something that works as well as it is going to for now. So, you do not need to keep seeing them, speaking in my case at least.

    1st line anti-depressant doesn't mean much either, mine said I was on standard dose, but failed to mention that doses that I am on of one medication are considered dangerous if they were increased, also failed to mention anti-anxiety medication. Yes, the best way to show you need the help PIP can provide is to show how you are effected day-to-day, is one of the most effective. But if you can show that the way the HP has approached the medical/assessment is wrong, this is important if it can be proven. For example, say one medication, treatment programme, is for condition A when it is being used for condition B.

    Another thing, especially with fluctuating conditions, you may have been having a day where the effects were not as severe, say this as well if that is the case. Do not forget, the HP is advising on the previous 3 months and the following 9 months, to cover the 12 months of PIP. If you are seen for an hour the HP only sees you for 0.01141% of a year.
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