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    I have to say I am losing interest in the election which is sad to say but true. A pity that a straightforward question does not result in a straightforward answer. I am considering spoiling my ballot paper, something I have never done but now feel I must do.

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    What issues will decide?
    Personalities..........
    Brexit
    Immigration
    Defence and security
    and in some cases tradition and habit will decide what party gets a tick.
    I know there are many other factors, but I think the above will have the greatest bearing.
    and yes fwipperie, I agree, it is somehow a most tasteless election, not one of hope and betterment, more a choice between a frugal spinster Aunt and a well meaning but misguided, spendthrift Uncle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stree View Post
    What issues will decide?
    Personalities..........
    Brexit
    Immigration
    Defence and security
    and in some cases tradition and habit will decide what party gets a tick.
    I know there are many other factors, but I think the above will have the greatest bearing.
    and yes fwipperie, I agree, it is somehow a most tasteless election, not one of hope and betterment, more a choice between a frugal spinster Aunt and a well meaning but misguided, spendthrift Uncle.
    Another very poor debate tonight on bbc, too much shouting and interruption and a presenter who yet again was ill prepared. And few questions actually answered. This followed paxmans inept interviews with may and corbyn preceeded by Faisal Islam's equally bad chairmanship and probably the worst was Victoria Derbyshire who kept interrupting her political guests. The only one who comes out with credit is Andrew Neil. Bring back Des O'connor who put maggie t and others through their paces many moons ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwipperie View Post
    Another very poor debate tonight on bbc, too much shouting and interruption and a presenter who yet again was ill prepared. And few questions actually answered. This followed paxmans inept interviews with may and corbyn preceeded by Faisal Islam's equally bad chairmanship and probably the worst was Victoria Derbyshire who kept interrupting her political guests. The only one who comes out with credit is Andrew Neil. Bring back Des O'connor who put maggie t and others through their paces many moons ago.
    Well it is the BBC Biased brainwashing corp

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    Well Blairs not in the running now. Its about today and who ever gets in they will promise the earth to young and old. Then let us down, but as a disabled person, I think what the Conservatives have done to vulnerable disabled people is disgusting.
    With some of us ending up in debt having to go food banks (me) and some becoming homeless or taking their lives. Putting us in so much stress that I cannot even think of voting conservatives.

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    Well that is fair enough if it is what happened to you, or is it you speaking for others? Someone you know? or just what you have heard or read?
    As a disabled person, under this Govt I get support allowance, both elements of PIP, free prescriptions, free specialist classes in regards to my condition, a motability car, free travel, free counselling.need I go on?
    Yes I read all the forms carefully, over and over so I understood them.........sought help as and when I thought it needed............Chose to be open and honest with regards to all aspects of claiming, no undeclared work, no hidden savings, no exaggerated claims of what I could and could not do..I am sure you have read the tales of those who do and get caught..........Is that the Govt`s fault?
    No, for me this Govt has provided, and I am not exceptional.
    May be it helped that I did not become confrontational at every stage. demanding my rights, arguing with what I considered the disagreeable parts of the process, was not rude or hostile to medical assessors, turn up late for appointments for no good reason........
    So what do I rebel against? Hearsay?
    I do not doubt there are many genuine cases of hardship, those who slip between the cracks, there always will be no matter who is in charge, but using generalisations and sweeping statements to condemn those in charge will not help. How can it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom34 View Post
    Well it is the BBC Biased brainwashing corp
    I notice that several newspapers and other commentators have questioned the impartiality of the audience and therefore the BBC? Certainly jeering and booing is not good. As an impartial observer I felt too much shouting down from panel members. I hoping David Dimbleby does better job tonight on QT. I think on June 8th the result will not be reflective of opinion polls. I shall, however, not place bet. I wonder if on Sunday we shall see JC rush onto stage and confront Teresa May. I feel also, Amber Rudd did a fine job and I have to say Farron, Nuttall and Corbyn less so. Robertson did ok as did Wood and Lucas but in latter two very small parties. Also if you look at Electoral Calculus they are [predicting the whigs (Lib Dems) down to just 3 seats.

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    I don't see why we have been brainwashed into thinking these TV leadership debates are essential in the first place.

    It's an American idea from the presidential camaigns, where they (pretend to) vote for just one person from one of 2 parties.
    In that context then it's fair enough, let the candidates debate head to head.

    But in the UK election context we are not voting for just one person, (or at least shouldn't be), and we have more than 2 parties.

    If they had multiple TV debates between the candidates standing in each ward then it might make some sense.

    That's how our electoral system is supposed to work, you are supposed to vote for the person who is best to represent your area in parliament.
    (Which is one reason why Proportional Representation has always been a non-starter, under PR a ward could end up with an MP that they didn't vote for).

    I see it as part of a longstanding effort to change our political system into a 2 party system, to the exclusion of all others.
    (And that was another aim of Proportional Representation).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nukecad View Post
    I don't see why we have been brainwashed into thinking these TV leadership debates are essential in the first place.

    It's an American idea from the presidential camaigns, where they (pretend to) vote for just one person from one of 2 parties.
    In that context then it's fair enough, let the candidates debate head to head.

    But in the UK election context we are not voting for just one person, (or at least shouldn't be), and we have more than 2 parties.

    If they had multiple TV debates between the candidates standing in each ward then it might make some sense.

    That's how our electoral system is supposed to work, you are supposed to vote for the person who is best to represent your area in parliament.
    (Which is one reason why Proportional Representation has always been a non-starter, under PR a ward could end up with an MP that they didn't vote for).

    I see it as part of a longstanding effort to change our political system into a 2 party system, to the exclusion of all others.
    (And that was another aim of Proportional Representation).
    Take the BBC question time if you apply to be in the audience and participate they ask people which way they voted in the referendum,why what does how you voted have to do with your application, unless you are biased and have a strict narrative you wish to stick to ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nukecad View Post
    I don't see why we have been brainwashed into thinking these TV leadership debates are essential in the first place.

    It's an American idea from the presidential camaigns, where they (pretend to) vote for just one person from one of 2 parties.
    In that context then it's fair enough, let the candidates debate head to head.

    But in the UK election context we are not voting for just one person, (or at least shouldn't be), and we have more than 2 parties.

    If they had multiple TV debates between the candidates standing in each ward then it might make some sense.

    That's how our electoral system is supposed to work, you are supposed to vote for the person who is best to represent your area in parliament.
    (Which is one reason why Proportional Representation has always been a non-starter, under PR a ward could end up with an MP that they didn't vote for).

    I see it as part of a longstanding effort to change our political system into a 2 party system, to the exclusion of all others.
    (And that was another aim of Proportional Representation).
    I was in the QT audience back in 2010 andmost of the hour was taken up with discussing who had done best in the debate, too presedential. Remember the hustings and debate between lot's of politicians, not the spin and soundbites.

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