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    Question PIP's new weird questions.

    I have clinical depression and a personality disorder (both diagnosed) so unsurprisingly when PIP came to Devon I was one of the first to fail my assessment just over a year ago.

    Recently, C.A.B advised me that DWP take mental illness more seriously and said I should apply again which I did. I had my assessment today and found some of the questions very odd, some of which I have included here.

    His question is in bold:

    How did you get here today?
    I got a lift

    Who gave you a lift?
    My sister

    ....

    Do you have a computer?
    Yes

    What do you use it for? (first he asked if I buy online or bank online which I don't)
    Err..looking at the internet!

    Do you have a mobile phone?
    Yes

    What do you use it for?
    I don't really know (I'd already told him I have no contact with my friends and very little with family)

    How much is in your bank account?

    ..and so on..what the f??? I know DWP are paranoid that everyone's a liar but does a person with depression / personality disorder fail because they own a mobile / use the internet?

    I know I wont get it but I was wondering if anyone else finds these questions very odd?

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    I was asked the same questions apart from the bank account , so they must have a set questionaire that they use

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    I do not see anything amiss with the line of questioning..It is about assessing your capabilities and what you do and how you manage day to day and week to week is surely a fair enough way of getting an idea of that.
    You may not see immediate relevance but then again it is not something you do for a living.
    I would not be concerned about these questions, but more concerned that I had such a negative view of the assessment and the outcome, almost to the point of a self fulfilling prophecy. I always prepare as well as I can, using great sources such as this forum, and treat all on the journey with the respect I would expect for myself, and so far have got everything I have gone for and more........

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    Quote Originally Posted by stree View Post
    I do not see anything amiss with the line of questioning..It is about assessing your capabilities and what you do and how you manage day to day and week to week is surely a fair enough way of getting an idea of that.
    You may not see immediate relevance but then again it is not something you do for a living.
    I would not be concerned about these questions, but more concerned that I had such a negative view of the assessment and the outcome, almost to the point of a self fulfilling prophecy. I always prepare as well as I can, using great sources such as this forum, and treat all on the journey with the respect I would expect for myself, and so far have got everything I have gone for and more........
    Hear Hear.

    Finally someone who thinks as i do, I have the same outcome too.

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    If you can use a computer or smartphone you are reasonably intelligent. You can "socialise". If you can do online banking and shopping then you don't need to go there (physically). the bank question is routine.
    Thats the thinking behind the questions.

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    I would love to see them try to justify (and point to the legislation) that states talking online through a smartphone or computer is 'socialising' ...

    My wife does online banking...

    My mum gave us 4.5k last year in total to pay rent and gas and electric and buy food and pay off the people she bought things from etc.

    Being able to use stuff like that has very little impact on impulse controls (which are technically a cognitive impairment).

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    'What do you use the internet for?' totally threw me, I think my answer was along the lines of 'erm everything' ! But you can see why they ask this sort of thing, they've an hour to gauge how we live and the impact of our impairments on our abilities, that's not an easy task

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    How can being able to use a computer prove you are able to socialize?
    In fact,people who are unable to socialize often spend all day sitting at the computer,sometimes not even washing/dressing/eating hours on end.
    And what does being reasonably intelligent have to do with anything?

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    I have a teenage son with aspergers
    He is still anxious about socializing,but is at last doing so
    He no longer receives benefits,but he used to
    He has always been of above average intelligence and has been able to use a computer from the age of four
    I used to worry that he would still be sitting in his boxers, on the damn thing (pc) in his thirties,with me still having to prompt(nag) him to wash/dress/eat
    Recently he has improved no end,but I know not everyone can

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    I was in the middle of posting this yesterday when my internet died.bash.gif
    So a bit late, but for what it's worth-

    The questions are designed to assess situations that are relevant to the PIP descriptors.

    So for example-

    If you said that you came on the bus then that shows that you can plan and follow journeys, understand timetables, etc.
    It shows you moving around. (walking to and from the bus stops) and that you can stand from seated.
    It also shows that you can engage with others face to face (the driver), and make budgeting decisions (to pay your fare).

    The same would apply if you came in a taxi on your own.

    If you said a friend had given you a lift, then that shows you can engage with others face to face.

    Using your mobile phone / computer shows manual dexterity because you can use the buttons / keys.
    (Although you may be using assistive technology).

    If you said that you buy things online or use online banking, then that shows that you can make budgeting decisions.
    Same for knowing what your current bank balance is.

    The words in bold are the actual PIP descriptors.

    Each descriptor has a number of possible points scoring possibilities and the answers you give to questions like this indicates which of the possible point scores is likely to apply.

    When you look at the questions in those terms then they do start to make sense.
    Last edited by nukecad; 12-08-16 at 04:50.
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