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    Can I ask where you got this from please? It'll be interesting to have a read myself as I'd love to know what more cr*p they're spouting out. See, it is clear from what you said about an argument of ATOS that deafness isn't a communication problem, they haven't a single clue really. Of course it is, who in their right mind would argue that deafness, especially profound, does not require communication assistance/support? Of course people who have some form of deafness would require varied communication support, whether they require a lot of support or no support at all. Besides, that's not for them to have a final say on, it's us who describe our abilities and disabilities to do the activities that has the final say.

    I've realised that DLA was mainly awarded to claimants accordingly to what disability they have. Now thats changed, PIP is mainly awarded to claimants on how their disability/impairment/s restricts them to do an activity. Which is fine, but the claimant is very likely to be disbelieved and accused of being a liar. In my case, I sent various copies of medical evidence to back up my claim and half of this was not noted on the front page of assessor's report and the other half was not considered. I can sort of understand the need to implement a new system to replace DLA, but for the majority of the time, genuine claimants don't get a single penny or get far less than they should on the new benefit.

    Hopefully they'll understand your disability in more detail now that you've explained yourself better. I wouldn't hold your breath but fingers crossed they'll consider this.

    It's absolutely disgusting how that many genuine claimants are railroaded into not getting what they're entitled to and the fact that going to tribunal not only places additional stress and worry on the claimant, but the financial cost on the tax payer.

    Oh how I wish it was 22 years ago again, when we first claimed DLA and all we did was submit a claim form supplied with one medical letter and we were awarded whatever we were given and it lasted us for three years. Now, its completely changed; a small minority of claimants are dying, claimants are made homeless/sick and many are severely stressed and depressed with it all. It's bloody hard but I will hang in there and keep fighting this awful, horrendous uphill battle.

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    Going for my assessment made me feel like I had to have all my wits about me. Which due to health reasons is not easy. I passed all the physical disabilities assessment .. Though she did ask me if I " forgot to take medication, or eat. I told her " I forget all these constantly, I also need reminded about appointments, health visits, banking etc... For this she gave me no points: because I understood her question.. Crazy.. Luckily I passed, but that question just amazed me.

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    It's not pleasant at all is Peter2323, having to explain to a stranger all about your disabilities and your inabilities, whilst you have doubts in your mind that they would not and could not understand you at all. They try to trick claimants in assessments, just like yourself, however as mine is hearing impairment mainly, the assessor left her mobile phone under a piece of paper right in front of me. If I looked at it directly, it looked like she would fail me however I didn't hear it straight away until she answered it. I've submitted an MR request written submission almost two weeks ago so still waiting to hear back. It's 22 pages long so should be interesting to hear their response.

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    Hi, I have a visit from ATOS coming up my question is where can i find out what my rights are at this visit. Thankyou.

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    same thing happened to me got 0 points have enlarged heart leaky valve narrowing of valve atrial fibralation said I was complaining of heart disease on my letter I received back after my assessment stopped my benefit straight away

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    ive been going to cab they might be able to help

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    Chris,

    Going back to your DLA application, I applied twice for DLA on the basis of my hearing disability and was refused both times. I know that's irrelevant now but did profoundly deaf people get DLA that easily? My daughter has a moderate hearing loss but she has other problems as well and is still receiving DLA but I assumed it was the combination of things and the fact that she was only 8 when I applied for her.

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    David1954, I'm not too sure on that one but can recommend reading up on it from the ATOS website, DWP website or try googling it as there are some websites that do specialise in ME, arthritis, autism, etc but the advice/tips/rights given would apply to everyone for assessments. Briefly I can list some I do know of, you are able to have another person with you for support/note taking if wanted, you can ask ATOS to audio record your assessment (beware; this may delay your assessment slot and some people have reported that their copy of the recording from ATOS are either distorted or blank), you can bring your own recorder but it has to produce dual copies on CD I think which you must give a copy to the assessor there and then, ATOS don't allow claimants to secretly audio record but this is not illegal anyway if a claimant was to do this secretly without the assessor knowing. With the level of lies/mistakes/things missed out, I wish I secretly audio recorded this but thats me, doesn't mean I recommend it to others though. You have the right to obtain a copy of the assessment report from the DWP. The assessor does not give you a copy of this. Also a tip, try not to talk too much and focus on what you CAN'T do, not what you CAN do. By saying what you can do, this gives the assessor ammunition to use against you in the report, like she did in mine. No matter how much I tried to explain, she didn't bother listening or record the help, support I need to do an activity, she just wrote that I can do this.... and left it at that. Which went against me, even though it's incorrect. You'll be alright, don't worry its purely like a doctor's appointment however I must strongly advise, go in with your eyes open and remember that you are watched/assessed from the second you enter the car park, how you speak/dressed to whether you want/don't want an expenses form offered at the end.

    Tree, it's a disgrace the whole process. I've complained to ATOS and reported this to my MP yesterday. I've submitted a 22 page MR report on 5th May so hopefully hear back soon some good news as the wait is making me so nervous and anxious. Apparently, I read that DWP try and get you off the benefit initially but if claimants submit an MR or appeal, DWP usually backdown and give you the award thats rightfully yours. I've not been to CAB but I've been to a welfare benefits advisor and she was very good.

    CharlieBear, my parents claimed DLA for me in April 1993 when I was very young as I have profound hearing loss since birth. I think in them days I was awarded DLA which was easier to get and it carried on up until this year because of the new benefit, PIP. The new benefit is designed for claimants to fail I think. I've tried hearing aids but they're no use whatsoever. I wear a cochlear implant to have some basic hearing. What my parents mainly put on the form is that I needed more care and help/support than the average person at my age. I was on mainly middle rate care, but sometimes fluctuated to high rate care. Lately I did not have any mobility award however I was fluctuating on low mobility at some points during the earlier years of my award. I have a few other conditions but hearing loss is my main disability which does affect many things in my daily life. Also my parents had to look after me during the night (to get middle rate, care must be during day AND night). It's not a disability for me where I can hear during the night, I am profoundly deaf throughout my life and I've never had any natural hearing so I think this is what qualified me for middle rate care on DLA. PIP is a whole new benefit and despite a few sources saying deaf people will be unlikely to be awarded PIP, I strongly believe deaf people can get at least standard daily living and mobility (as the reliability criteria has to be considered).

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    Chris, just to give you a little info, can't remember the name of it but my neighbour is only partially deaf 1 ear full loss, just informed they receive enhanced levels of both components, they did a paper based assessment no F2F letters and consultants appointments were suffice, they told me they had problems with getting DLA but no issues with PIP, I hope you get a good outcome on your MR

    When they are back I'll ask if they have any other issues, they thought they would lose everything, I'll keep you posted

    Best of luck

    Beth x
    Last edited by Blastoff; 19-05-15 at 15:32.

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    Oops I thought your previous post was sent too early as it said "Chris, just to give you a little info" and I was waiting for you to continue writing and I've just refreshed my page and now I can see all what you've written. My apologies, please ignore my previous post at 4:24pm.

    That's great news, I'm very pleased for your neighbour and that he/she got what they deserve.

    I've been honest in my forms and assessment, all supplied with various medical evidence and because I've been too honest and quite open, I've learnt lessons now as I only got 2 points daily living and 0 points mobility for PIP. I made it very clear that I need support/help/assistance with some activities and I constantly referred to the reliability criteria as well throughout.

    If your neighbour is partially/fully deaf and has no other health conditions/disability, then it's amazing that they've got enhanced daily and mobility for PIP as I've not heard or read anywhere that deaf people have been awarded PIP yet.

    Thanks Beth, much appreciated :-) x

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