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    I refrain from any discussions of political and religious topics and in some cases football too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul1234 View Post
    I refrain from any discussions of political and religious topics and in some cases football too!
    As a Liverpool fan I totally agree. Oh god I'm labouring a point about football........

    Sorry Paul couldn't resist......hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikstar View Post
    Sorry I don't believe it does. The following is taken from the IFS report referenced. I'll quote the paragraphs in full rather than cherry pick.

    "All of this of course points to another big difference. If Labour is spending more – and if it doesn’t raise taxes – it will be borrowing more and perhaps more importantly presiding over a greater burden of debt. The effect of this might be relatively modest in the short term, but borrowing as much as their rule would allow beyond 2020 would mean national debt around £170 billion higher (in today’s terms) by the end of the 2020s than would be achieved through a balanced budget. So even if Labour do keep spending cuts to a minimum over the next parliament, further tax increases or spending cuts might prove necessary down the line in order to reduce risks with the long term state of the public finances further. The problem is that another recession will strike one day. Going in to a new recession with debt still high – and it’s higher now than at any time since the late 1960s could leave less room for manoeuvre. The sort of additional borrowing that we were able to support as we made our way through the recent period might not be as easily financed.

    So the choices are pretty stark. The Conservatives offer some more dramatic spending cuts, which may not prove easy to deliver. Under their plans we are not even half way through the cuts. Labour offer an easier (but not easy) time for public services, but probably more risk with the public finances. One thing they do have in common is an unwillingness to discuss the third leg of the fiscal stool – taxes. But don’t let it be said that the two main parties offer no choice at this election. These are real, meaty political choices."

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    Quote Originally Posted by vantage View Post
    Buster, the deficit has been reduced. It is the national debt which has risen.

    We Miliband and Ed Balls, should be given a chance you suggest and they don't have a track record. Well Ed Balls was central to Gordon Browns policies, both during his time as Chancellor and PM. Remember, the removal of the 10% tax band for the low paid, 50p increase for pensioners, induction of tuition fees!

    I don't trust many politicians, left or right, but I trust Ed Balls less then them all. He will raise taxes for all working people, do more damage to pensions, increase both the deficit and national debt. Look to Greece to see how things could have been.

    I see quotas in the workplace is the latest idea, but not for those with a disability. I've recruited dozens of people from all works of life but policy could see me being forced to choice one person over another, rather than the best, purely so a target can be met.

    I would suggest people get informed, then vote wisely.
    George Osborne five years ago set out his much trumpeted "long term economic plan" - his promise was to achieve an annual budget surplus by the end of parliament. He has failed dismally, the Conservative led government has carried on spending more than they have received in tax revenue - year on year. Consequently, it can be said, the Tories have failed to reduce the deficit as intended and promised. The national debt has also increased under the Tories. Therefore, the Tories can't be trusted to run the nations finances - George Osborne is a chancer - on his last legs.

    Yes, scrapping the 10p tax band was a big mistake, it affected the Labour vote five years ago - the mass media did an excellent job of rubbing Gordon Brown's nose in it at every opportunity. Labour are not perfect - I see them as the lesser of 2 evils in with a chance of governing.

    If Ed Balls becomes Chancellor soon - you can't seriously believe he will raise taxes for all working people, as you suggest. Labour aren't about doing this - in any case it would be political suicide. What they have said they will do, and rightly so - is raise the top rate of income tax - reversing the Tories tax cut for millionaires and introduce a mansion tax on homes worth 2 million pounds up. Additionally, Labour will abolish the ill thought through Bedroom Tax which has resulted in hardly any savings - bus has seen tens of thousands of vulnerable families with children in many cases - loose their homes.

    As for your reference to Greece - really, not that old chestnut again; Greece can in no way be compared to the UK, there is and has not been any similarities. For people to try and seriously argue this, well, frankly they are living in cloud cuckoo land.

    When all said and done - anyone reading this who relies on social security must be absolutely crazy to vote Tory - this can be likened to turkeys looking forward to Christmas. Lets face it, how many millionaires are planning to vote Labour - not a lot - they look after their own interests by enlarge.

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    Well said buster I must support what you say as I just had an email from benefits and work site and they also say the tories must not win and many disabled and sick who do not vote must do so as the tories plan of 12 billion of welfare cuts in two years looks draconian to say the least.
    Nobody likes to be told who to vote for but what ids wants to do is totally sick and will make many people destitute in this country while the bankers and the city who caused the 1930s crash get away scot free its totally unfair.
    One thing leaked was taxing dla and pip, scrapping contribution esa and jsa and a lot more so savage it will make many despair in other words you have seen nothing yet.
    On labour I do hope they will be fairer and also I hope they do link with the more socialist parties elected as well so to even keep things fairer, but as said anyony who is sick disabled and gets any welfair do not vote tory one more thing that's been added by b&w site that housing benefit people may have to paiy the first 10% and that combined with the bedroom tax heaven help us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freedomeagle View Post
    So just wondered peoples own opinions on what party if they got into power would be of any help to disabled people, in areas such as benefits, work, housing and health care? I've listened to all the debates and know most views on nhs but i'm just not hearing anything in regard to helping the disabled population, maybe i'm just missing it but just wanted people who know what it's like to have disability issues to let me know their views thanks
    With only 17 days to go to the general election, I can't help but notice this election thread has slipped down the pecking order, therefore, I thought I'd better try and resurrect the debate.

    We now know that the Conservatives are planning to cut 12 billion pounds from welfare during the first two years of the next parliament if they win the election. Furthermore, we now know the Lib Dems are planning to cut 3 billion pounds from welfare. These proposals if enacted will undoubtedly have grave consequences for society as a whole; millions of sick and disabled children and adults as well as their carers are seemingly being lined up to take the full impact of Conservative and Lib Dem cuts. Therefore, voting and using your vote wisely has never been more important than now; it looks increasingly like a vote for Labour and a Labour government is the answer in terms of preventing these planned cruel welfare cuts. Although, I am happy to stand corrected if other forum users have different views. Buster.

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    Im not affended by buster as he is telling it as it is I was on dla all through the labour gov in 1997 and wait for it in 2012 under a con gov I have a review and I know what some will say you can be asked to have a review anytime even indefinite awards but im not convinced I suspect like before 1997 the cons bought in the benefit integrity project which again hounded the disabled on dla.
    So to be honest even though ed says he will have nothing to do with the snp I think myself it would be good to get some of what they say and they and the greens are the only ones actually speaking up for the sick and disabled so a coalition might offer some help for us all.
    Also it would have been far worse if the cons had had a majority as we would have been hit even harder the lib dems did stop a lot of tory dogma.
    As for the deficit we are still the 6th richest country in the world and even the debts after the second world war labour was able to start the nhs, massive social housing and welfare so I do think we maybe being conned a bit into what really was the banks and financial institutions cost us and they are the ones that should have to pay not the most vunerable in society.

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    Buster, for balance, will you kindly tell us how much Labour will be cutting?
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    I notice that the Liberal Democrats will launch a disability manifesto on Thursday pledging a £150m support package for carers
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